[Editor's Note: I was initially irritated with this man's lack of knowledge and his unfounded criticisms of Nancy Lieder of Zeta Talk. I sent him a short rebuke in the first e mail response and sent a longer Stinger missile in my second response and posted the whole exchange under Letters to the Editor, but thought better of it the next day and took it down (I have to learn to temper my Wilde tendencies in responding to mail of a critical tone). The response I should have sent in the first instance can be found at the bottom ..Ken]

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/comingandfullstop10jan05.shtml
January 10, 2005

----- Original Message -----
From: Ricardo Goldbach
To: Editor@educate-yourself.org
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:52 PM
Subject: Coming Attractions

Sir:

I was reading your article, titled “Coming Attractions”, with quite a reasonable interest, till I saw a reference to Nancy, self-alledgedly a conveyor of outer space-Zeta-allien messages. Hey, isn’t this the lady who predicted that the polar shift and other tragedies should occur… years ago? And whose son tried to profit from constructing huge domes to hold buyers alive and well inside them?

Will try to educate myself elsewhere – your sources aren’t that reliable.

Regard,

Ricardo Goldbach

[My response deleted..]

----- Original Message -----
From: Ricardo Goldbach
To: 'Editor'
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:47 PM
Subject: RE: Coming Attractions

“Gee I feel so disappointed to lose your readership. How shall I console myself?”

Start by making a real point when/if you got one. You haven’t even started an explanation or counter-reasoning, in case you missed it.

Even though, I’ll clarify my point: I didn’t say this lady Nancy made a prediction years ago. My text is clear in expressing my point: what she predicted *should have occurred years ago*, according to her, more precisely in 2003. As far as I’m concerned, no polar shift yet, as well as nothing else she predicted yet. Still difficult? (rethoric question -- no reply expected/desired).

BTW, Bush Jr. was elected by intelectually challenged people. The kind of people who see the devil where there is none.

Full stop.

[Deleted response & deleted 3rd e mail from Ricardo ]

----- Original Message -----
From: Editor
To: Ricardo Goldbach
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Coming Attractions

Hello Ricardo,

I won't continue debating you in this e mail as I realized yesterday that I -and you- are wasting our time in a pointless exchange. I should have not allowed your original e mail to annoy me as it did and should never have replied to you in the first place. I allowed my ego to dominate my emotions. I have to admit a certain degree of satisfaction in rebuking people who criticize or attack me with malicious intent, but that criteria did not apply in your case and I came down too hard on you.

You were expressing a limited opinion based on a limited and narrow knowledge base. Essentially, you wanted to criticize Nancy and her son because 1. the pole shift in 2003 never happened and 2. her son got involved in producing geodesic dome shaped shelters that were intended to allow survival during and following the pole shift. . I don't know the details of her son's business to make those shelters, but I do know there is no law against making geodesic dome shelters. If your PRESUMPTION is that Nancy had intentionally HOAXED the pole shift information at Zeta Talk in order to promote sales of geodesic dome shelters for her son-then you would be DEAD WRONG in that assumption.

You don't know or understand the background behind Nancy Lieder and her role in publishing the information at Zeta Talk. It's a long and complicated story. You have no business judging her because you don't possess enough information to evaluate her, nor evaluate what she did and why she did it. The woman is both sincere and honest and put up that information in the interest of helping humanity and not for personal gain as you first e mail implied. The woman was (and is) a victim of manipulation by NASA and other TREASONOUS intelligence agencies of the United States government who wanted to use her to both create a sense of foreboding among the many thousands of people (perhaps millions of people worldwide) who read Zeta Talk and believed the Zeta's prediction about a 2003 pole shift- as well as USE her -to create further CONFUSION and UNCERTAINTY among those readers when the pole shift never happened. They used Nancy for eight long years to help them promote fear and foreboding and then brought in their next manipulated chippy by the name of Mark- "What me? Under Mind Control?- Hazelwood (http://www.planet-x.150m.com/hazlewood.html) and his totally PLAGIARIZED book, Blindsided to help: 1. set up Nancy to be discredited and 2. to set the stage to introduce their NEXT manipulated disinformation chippy (and book seller) by the name of "Professor" James McCanney (http://www.planet-x.150m.com/mccanney.html) to carry on the Planet X Horror Show for them.

There are disinformation psyops being run within disinformation psyops by NASA, NSA, military, and CIA minions using manipulated, MIND CONTROLLED individuals, and you are aware of none of it. And now we have the kingpin of Planet X "information", Zecharia Sitchin, appearing on the Coast to Coast radio show with guest host Hilly Rose the other night, broadly hinting that "The Day of the Lord" may be at hand "soon", like maybe the year 2012 'soon'. Of course, he has a new book out he wants you to know about as well. So it looks like we now have the next eight year round of Planet X doom & gloom planned out to the year 2012 with the newly annointed and supposedly credible 'professor' McCanney heading up the disinfo campaign for the MUFON types and Sitchin playing the role of Father Superior for the academics and high brow set. That's how Tavistock likes to do it-cover all the bases.

That is why you irritated me and provoked a sharp rebuke which, in hindsight, I should not have embarked upon, so I apologize for snapping at you.

By the way, do not assume that MAJOR earth changes will not take place in the near future. I personally believe they will. Whether they happen due to Mother Earth cleansing herself of the satanic maggots manipulating the strife on this planet or due to the passage of a huge planetary body, I don't know, but if you live along the western coast of the United States, I would move far inland to higher ground and look around for a food source and shelter (how about a geodesic dome?).

In any event, whether you heed that warning or ignore it, it's only information and it is freely given. It doesn't cost you anything and you are under no obligation to believe it or act upon it, or criticize it either. It's just an opinion given in the interest of helping-and nothing more.

Peace and farewell, Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: Ricardo Goldbach
To: 'Editor'
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: Coming Attractions

Hi, Ken:

I totally agree with you as for our time wasting and for egos playing their part on it, and I’ve snipped out the ugly part of our e-mail exchange, extending your present initiative for the sake of air cleansing.

I admit my quite cynical approach about Nancy being cited on your publication, as I’ve read everything she wrote on her site, long ago, and came out with a more than disbelief feeling. BTW, I’ve seen only one of Nancy detractors’ sites, and it was a childish and ludicrous assemblage of faked planet X depictions.

I want you to rest assured – though you didn’t imply or suggest the opposite – that I’m in no way linked with, or acting for, any conceivable op regarding discrediting whoever may appear in the info/counter-info scene.

I’ve got quite a curious and not totally skeptic mind which keeps on making me read, filter and think about a lot of subjects. Doomsday, whether manmade or not, is among them.

By the early 80’s I built myself a house on the fancyest beach resort in Brazil (Buzios Beach, Rio de Janeiro), which I sold by mid 90’s. After selling it I felt kind of a subtle relief feeling, which I later identified as being something like “now-it’s-money,-waters-won’t-take-it-away”. Polar caps melting was always a strong scientific possibility for me, and I remember having read a paper regarding it, sent by a respectable american scientific institution (can’t recall the name right now) to then USA president Carter. It was about greenhouse effect and it’s consequences, and it met my already existing worries.

My ex-wife too, could think of something weird happening to Earth during our lifetimes. After we parted ways, about twenty years ago, she bought herself a considerable piece of land – water resources included – in central Brazil highlands, and moved there. Now that region is packed with foreigners, coming from all parts of the globe, who also decided to establish there, most of them aware of a potentially evil future they could face if staying in their original places (none of them live in geodesic domes, btw J). I consider myself making such a move someday, not necessarily towards that spot of the country, but driven, as the others, by a quite foreseable doomed future of Earth.

So this is a bit of info on how I consider the scene.

As for Nancy and Zeta Talk, I remember seeing photographs she hosted/linked to, lots of them, depicting the image of the Sun and/or some dawning scenes, and assuring that planet X was already visible there, for whoever wanted to see it. In no way I could see it, nor my friends and relatives to whom I showed it. The absence of something that was cathegorically stated as being there was one of the causes for me not giving her credit for the rest of her publicized words. Nancy’s talk about total interruption of Earth’s rotational movement, and the continuing existence of human life in this planet after the phenomenon, also, was something my mind simply couldn’t accept processing; atmosphere and human beings themselves would have been spacebound thrown long before Earth regained rotational momentum (and how would it?).

So, returning to the point, I don’t believe Nancy+Zeta Talk is a hoax, neither I presume it as being part of a domes selling scheme. I simply couldn’t buy the idea when it came to the physical and objective realm of rational thinking. That’s all. You could call it a biased vision; I should agree with you. But now I’m sincerely curious to learn about the reasons you’ve found to consider Nancy as being both a sincere and honest person.

My present concern goes mostly for the HAARP-GWEN-chemtrails triad, backgrounded by Tesla’s, Whittaker’s and Eastlund’s works, and is reinforced by the total lack of respect for Mankind shown by the present USA establishment. I’m now following the inter-threaded links, mainly those regarding Lt. Col. Tom Bearden writings, which start at http://twm.co.nz/ind3.html / Scalar Electromagnetics and Weather Control .

Thanks for beginning the air cleansing process.

Regards,

Ricardo Goldbach

(still living two blocks away from Copacabana Beach, Rio de Janeiro)